This has to be one of the best games, story_wise, I have played. The graphics are ok, not the best, but definitely aren't the worst. It wouldn't have to have any renders and the story alone is filled with breath taking moments. I am truly sad to see an ending, because I fill like I'm losing an friend
Actually fantastic wtf? Finished with multiple endings. Only slight criticism is the voice clip is the same for each sex scene but that is minor. I love Carol
My only complaint would be the lack of bad guys used in the game like the cannibals and final group you kill in game were perfect fillers for the middle of the story where most fans complained it dragged (not me just what i hear through reddit and other platforms) also the chick that gets killed at the end kid of a waste in my opinion still a great game would put in my top 10
So, i love this game a lot that i can't finish just because i haven't played a game this good. But there is a song thats on my mind a lot and i cant find it. It plays in a scene where Carol and Mc looking from the balcony and going the "Then..." Part. It on my mind and i have been searching for it. Is there a soundtrack of this game or anyone knows this specific song?
I have just finished the game. Definetly my #1 on this site. I've played through maany stories. Yours is fucking amazing man. Unbelievable. To anyone who's seeing this and wonders if they should give it a go... Do it, don't hesitate.
Well, you asked for reports of noticed grammar issues, during the intro theres one.
as mc is giving us the premise, one line is written 'When the shelter-at-home eventually order came down...', ofcourse order and eventually being the wrong way around.
I'll update as i replay. Also is there anyway to prevent seeing the Alice flashback sex scenes? I have 0 interest seeing her force herself if i can help it. Next to that all the annoying inner monolgue. Sick of sitting on a single frame for 2 or 3 minutes as i have to read whatever overly explained troubles our guy is going through. She tugged you off, you groped each other on the couch, she sucked you off as you fingered her, however despite all your rules on safety, you would rather run out into an apocalypse than talk to her maturely about stuff, when you only have to return to the apartment anyways? Kinda stupid really.
It's called story telling and exposition. It all adds to the cenimatic immersion of the story. When you read comics do you only read the dialogue and skip the thought bubbles and narration? You hate the novel in visual novel?
This is an incredible game/story and I love everything about it
This is an actual masterpiece. Probably best one I've ever played to date. The tense suspense at alot of parts and waiting for inevitable happenings in an apocalyptic setting that you just never know is actually going to happen or not. Carried that feeling throughout the entire story just about. Was really special. The H-scenes were more of a bonus, though theres a ton of them, some of which even meld parts of the story together well.
(Little spoilers) But argh the section with the haven, I just wish so much the MC kept his backbone up for that segment. He just basically got pushed into something he was totally uncomfortable with, he didnt even fight back that hard just made snide comments and back talked here and there but didn't really lay into them like he should have. He should have been exploding over it, especially during the dialogue in the hotel. Just cant imagine throwing years of your life away for a selfless act, then for an apocalypse to hit and you doing everything in your power, nearly dying every single day, finding supplies, killing humans and infected alike and for someone to just brush you off like you're gonna be fine and your loved ones will be without you perfectly safe. Meanwhile wants to put you in the same doghouse that they expect the "same kind of visitors" to literally kill you. It was a frustrating point.
But yeah, got that off my chest can tell I'm a bit invested into the story, it has me wrapped up lol.
been playing this game for a long time on another site, I downloaded the game the other day and now there's a patch. How do I install it? I've never had to patch a game before.
Its a little weird that u cant download directly,in My case,I can just click the download then boom,the install bar will appear,but I dont know why you cant
Man, the ending. It seemed too fast-phased like I was hoping something will happen where Sydney were forced to go to the MCs place but then caught to some "infected or bandit stuff". But the storyline is good and got me hooked for 4 days I think. Less sleep.
I'm not finished yet, but so far I just don't see a reason for some of the harsh criticisms I've seen in the comments below. If you don't like the story line, well, that's your personal preference, but as far as a story goes, it's a great story. The characters are well hashed out. The plot drives the story forward. The relationships are developed nicely. It doesn't just jump into sex sex sex right from the start, which makes sense. I haven't run into any situations where I was forced into anything I didn't want to do. At least so far, everything seems choice driven, which is what I expect from a VN. I'm not sure how far into it I am. Trying to avoid spoilers I'll just say the MC and two girls have moved to the High School and have just dealt with an attack and met a new character to the game. Those who've read the story will understand where I am by that description. So far it's been one of my favorite adult VNs. Sure it's not the absolute best in 3D characters, but for what it is, it's fantastic in my opinion. The Dev should really consider putting this on Steam for about $9.99. It wouldn't take long for the reviews to start stacking up the purchases for them.
Enjoyed the game up to the point where your forced to fuck sydney, that made 0 sense to me, hole game MC is loyal and promiss not to do anything to upset carol and yet MC fucks sydney in the shower? knowing that is not what carol wants....and you cant do anyting to say no....why ruin the game like that.....sydney even says MC would proberly never try anything and she leaves, then MC yells out in showers and no response you walk into the showers and it jumps to a forced sex scene not one bit of that makes any sense.
Hey dude, Sydney and Julie are there to the end. U just need to have enough points with Sydney and creampie her in the hotel, she gets pregnant and drives to the Mansion to find you, with Julie :D
My only real complaint is how much Carol is forced on the MC. There doesn't really seem to be any reliable way to reject her advances until mid or late game.
good game loved it 100% fuck the guy named maxime martyr who cant have his way in life you do you man if he thinks he can do better he can make his own as a content creator myself ik how hard this is dont give up man fuck people who say otherwise this is a masterpiece
Good game, one of the better ones I have seen. After about a week, finally got to the end of it. A lot of content here, lots of different paths and replay value.
This was one of the worst visual novels that I ever read and I read many.
This is the story of a gutless author who wanted to write a story about a man who fucks teenagers who are like daughters to him but the author doesn't have the guts to defy social norms so they literally destroy society with a lame post-apocalyptic setting for the sole purpose of getting rid of social norms in their story so they are free to write whatever lame erotic story they want, and even under these conditions, they still make sure to make their characters relentlessly repeat that they would never EVER have fucked each other if society didn't conveniently collapse to allow them to fuck whoever they want.
The irony is that the author included this quote from Oscar Wilde into their visual novel:
"I won't tell you that the world matters nothing, or the world's voice, or the voice of society. They matter a good deal. They matter far too much. But there are moments when one has to choose between living one's own life, fully, entirely, completely, or dragging out some false, shallow, degrading existence that the world in its hypocrisy demands."
You would think that the author of this visual novel included this quote into their story because this is a story about characters who choose to live their life the way they are happy with whoever they want and reject the hypocrisy of society, right?
Wrong! This story is about characters who would choose to conform to the hypocrisy of society if society still existed.
The author chose a post-apocalyptic setting to get rid of society so their characters DON'T choose to defy society because there is no more society to defy and they make sure to make their characters relentlessly repeat that, was society still standing, they would have chose to please it rather than themselves and each other.
Therefore quoting Oscar Wilde under these conditions is a JOKE and I say: "If you would rather make society happy than each other then you DON'T deserve each other." and so I couldn't have ANY sympathy for them.
Moreover I couldn't take ANY character seriously anyway because they are supposed to be americans and they all look japanese because the author was dumb enough to use Honey Select for an occidental setting!
And I can't even justify their choice by their need of an affordable characters generator because I keep seeing the same looking characters in many visual novels so I just know that there is definitely an extensive graphics library available for visual novels, nothing could possibly justify that this author chose a cheap japanese characters generator for an occidental setting, this is just one of many evidences of their utter incompetence.
The protagonist wears glasses, there is nothing wrong about that, if he didn't wear them ALL THE FUCKING TIME!
Don't even try to make me believe that he sees shit with his glasses in front of his eyes in a hot shower full of vapor!
The author made the two main female characters 18 years old.
Do you know why 18?
Because this is the legal age of sexual maturity.
If legal majority was 13, they would be 13 years old, because they are the youngest legally possible.
That doesn't help when the author keeps making comments such as "Yum, look at this pretty tight teenage pussy...", how the hell am I not supposed to feel like a disgusting pedophile when I read such disturbing thoughts?!
The author bothered to make the girls legally major but they keep making us think of them as teenagers, implying children!
The main female character is the most insufferably boring of all!
She is so predictable, so annoyingly single-minded, every time she is alone with the protagonist, there is only one single thought in her bland mind: sex!
And all the time she is not alone with him, she laments how she would love so much to be alone with him, annoyingly single-minded I tell you.
She doesn't have any meaningful role in the story beside being a "horny teenager" who wants to screw her "dad" all of the damn time.
From when we quit Grantsboro, I just had grown so fed up with her that every time I was alone with her, I thought "Oh no, not her again...", I just couldn't bear her anymore.
Eventually, I just skipped all of her sex scenes because there are simply too many of them, I made an overdose of Carol!
The author allows polygamy.
HOWEVER, they still try to impose monogamy on us because they make the protagonist treat Carol as his owner and he basically keeps repeating "just say the word and I will throw everyone else in the trash" as if the author wanted to guilty us because we chose to return the feelings of more than one girl, they allowed us polygamy while they kept pestering us with monogamous mindset.
If you choose polygamy, that's because you are into more than one person who also are into you and to be fair to everyone, there is no favorite, no number one, no queen, and you definitely don't offer to reject the others to one of them, you leave that bullshit to monogamy and therefore the way the author treats Carol is frustratingly unfair to the others.
It's funny how the protagonist keeps repeating many times to Carol: "just say the word and I will stop everything with everyone else" but he never says this in the presence of anyone else.
A shame, because I just would love to see how the women who love him would feel if they hear him basically tell Carol "just say a word and I will throw all of these fucktoys in the trash if you want me for yourself alone because I don't care about hurting their feelings, I care only about you"...
And this is one of the many reasons why I couldn't have any sympathy for this hypocrite protagonist because he says to more than one girl that he loves them and right after he says to one of them that he is ready to break everyone's hearts if she has a selfish whim, how could I possibly respect such an uncaring hypocrite?
The sex scenes are voiced.
But the author uses the same 3 voices for all female characters and so the voices make the sex scenes even more repetitive and boring.
The title of this visual novel is "Now & Then", and once you will find out why this name, you will hate it!
Because when you are in the "now", the author keeps breaking the pace of the story with annoying flashbacks of "then".
I don't mind some flashbacks if they are in moderate quantity and interesting.
These are neither.
Because you are reading the story of the current events, on the edge, when the screen suddenly turns black with a big white "THEN..." and a mellow guitar starts playing to tell you a boring past event that you couldn't care less about and it interrupts this way ALL OF THE DAMN TIME, you can never get into the mood because the author keeps breaking it with their genius idea of switching at the worst timings between "Now..." and "Then...".
In conclusion, after having tortured myself to read this visual novel to the end in the vain hope that it would grow better, I warn you it doesn't, there is nothing worth keeping in this utter failure and I now believe that ILS Productions actually stands for Insufferably Lame Stories and Productions.
You justify that these girls are adult because "they are of legal age", implying that your conviction is not your own, you mindlessly conform to a world's perception that legal dictates.
My point was that the author made the girls to be the youngest legally allowed and wrote about them to make us think of them as kids, as I said, if legal age was 13 then they would be 13, because they are just that: the minimum legal age.
your an idiot and bias asf man get a life your literally the only person complaining here you reddit moderator neckbeard looking ass sitting behind yo screen you fucking bigot like everyone said its a YOU problem not the creators if you think you can do better make you own you fucking idiot this is hard fucking work perfection at its finest ik because i make these too so shut you dumb ass up don't read it if you don't like it deal with it i don't see you putting in the time to make something like this to put in hours to create content you gotta lot of nerve to say the things you do insecure bitch ass go cry to your mommy bitch
Like i said make your own if YOU think you can do better theres a difference in actual criticism and just straight up being an asshole to someone who made something that everyone liked but you because you think you know better than everyone shut your karen bitchass up no ones gonna take you or your criticism seriously if you go about it by being an asshole and being disrespectful
I haven't played this game, I just found it when something I was reading on the internet referenced it. I really understand where you are coming from with the critique if what you are saying about this game is true; however, I think maybe you are ascribing motives to the author that are not really representative of their intentions.
Specifically, I am wondering if it has ever crossed your mind that this VN/game was written by someone who did a little market research, and understood what kind of story was most likely to be popular amongst people who routinely pay money for Adult VNs?
It seems to me that you are making claims about the type of person this is, and what his or her feelings about certain types of real life sexual relationships actually are; and here is the last thing I will say... while I do not normally point this sort of thing out to people, even if the content of this VN represents a real sexual fantasy of the author, you seem to be just fetish shaming.
For example, there is a lot of robust academic research that suggests that a significant number of women--and we are talking about a large percentage--have sexual fantasies based around rape or non-consent. By extension to how you are acting here, it seems like it is your position that merely having that fantasy means that they condone rape beyond the realm of fantasy. This clearly is not the case, and with this in mind I sometimes find it extremely problematic when I encounter people who judge people so harshly for sexual fantasies. Just my two cents.
I haven't played this game and this guy sounds a bit too personal in his criticism. That said, it does sound like a bunch of valid points that nobody has rebutted.
It's a spoiler bro he didn't even bother typing a "spoiler alert" before commenting, that's why you should play the game first before reading the comments, and he's just hating. The dev give he's blood and sweat to make this game, and I know we have our own opinion, but if it's just pure hate you should just keep it to yourself.
Funny that he pointed out a lot of well thought and valid objections and your response is "he's just hating."
Probably easier for you to do that than to actually read or understand them. Maybe if you did you could actually have something of substance to rebute them with rather than an emotional outburst.
Do these comments hit too close to home for you? You're defending this storyline quite fervently.
Not sure how your reply is relevant to my comment. There's nothing in this game I can't "handle." This is far from the only game with this plotline. It's always gross. Simple as that.
I don't know how you think the alternative to this is NTR.
There're quite a few games here that are a simple story of a groomer where the game justifies the grooming with some "horny girl" BS. It's the groomer fantasy played out: "We're consenting adults (now). She wants it."
Catering to this particular market because it's what they're looking for is no excuse.
Don't worry about my road when you have already gone off the far end.
And no, you can't call me "unaccepting" or "black and white" for rejecting your non-sequiturs and straw men. That's like calling someone a picky eater for rejecting a feces sandwich.
Well, look at yourself the superior mind who steps up to set things right for everyone because everyone else but you is "too fucked (What's wrong? Scared of speaking the actual word? 😏) in the brain to properly debate me" because only you know what is proper debate, gosh, your humility is an example for all. 😏
You created an Itch account just for me? Aaaaaw, that's so romantic! 😊 And if that doesn't work between us, at least I made you have an Itch account.😉
After having read your "counter-points", I have to ask: Did you actually read this visual novel? Because you missed all of your marks, that's hilarious! 🤣
If you ACTUALLY had read this visual novel that you defend with such (pointless) passion then you WOULD have read its characters say themselves that if society didn't collapse, they would have repressed their feelings for each other to conform to social norms, this is not "my own wrong take on it", this is their own words. 😉
They already were aware of their feelings before the collapse of society and of its norms but they pretended to not notice for the sake of pleasing society whose collapse granted them an opening as you said, otherwise they would have chosen to make society happy rather than making each other and themselves happy, that's why I claimed that they don't deserve each other if they don't even choose each other over a bunch of strangers.
That's so funny how you accused me of being biased and your following sentence starts with "Illusion games are the best". 🤣
Especially since that's completely wrong since I use to read adult visual novels made with another, more realistic graphics library, I know that's the same because they all look the same, unfortunately I still didn't find out WHAT is this amazing graphics library commonly used to make so many realistic looking visual novels! 😫
And even among Illusion products, Honey Select is the worst because it makes everyone look japanese no matter your characters' actual ethnics, which ruins all credibility if your characters are not actually japanese, which is the case right here, at least it is not worth Koikatsu which makes everyone look like anime characters therefore less realistic but at least not necessarily japanese. 😉
Now you didn't only not read the visual novel but you didn't actually read my comment either, which makes me wonder about your ability to actually read, because you foolishly claimed that I "flexed a problem with wearing glasses", which, once more, is completely off the mark since I specifically wrote "The protagonist wears glasses, there is nothing wrong about that,", see? 😉
I also explained in details how the author treated the girls like "teens", I specifically explained how the protagonist's thoughts such as "Look at that pretty and tight teen pussy!" made me feel like a pedophile and made me feel sick and 18 is a commonly chosen age in porn games whose creators want to make their characters the youngest possible while being legal, like when you play a porn game whose characters clearly look like children while the disclaimer claims "all characters in this game are the legal age of 18" that no one believes and everyone is aware that's bullshit to be legal, 18 is the code to say "They are actually children/teens but shush, let's pretend they are adults because they are 18, wink wink.". 😒
Oh you are so very wrong because I actually disagree with that "legal age" bullshit as if everyone is a child at 17 then in a single night, shazam, they are adult because they are 18, administrative magic never ceases to amaze me! 😲
I think it is utterly stupid to set an age to define adulthood since maturity grows with knowledge and experience and everyone is not the same. 🤨
I think we would be smarter to set a test of knowledge and autonomy to acknowledge official adulthood no matter the age, only a passed test would define adulthood and that would make much more sense than "You are 17, you are a kid. You are 18, you are an adult. That's administrative magic for you.".
Indeed, I know, so what? Do you think such a society whose males' only purpose is to work to sustain a family and females' only purpose is to be breed to produce more workers is desirable? Why do you think this was abolished in the first place if that was so great? 🤨
Nice try, too bad it is a missed shot again since this visual novel is all about sex all the time and nothing else and if you are fed up of having only sex all the time and nothing else and choose to not have sex then you have nothing at all because this visual novel offers you nothing but sex all the time. When your options are something or nothing then there is no actual choice as there is no other option other than one thing or nothing, there is no other thing.
Wrong, very wrong, because I NEVER EVER chose to make Carol my queen, my owner, and treat all of my other lovers as disposable, I hated that and that was the author's choice, not mine. 😠
Sigh, listen, I use to read MANY adult visual novels and most of them don't have voices, only music to set the mood, animated graphics (of variable quality) and texts (of variable quality as well) and that actually works better than adding cheap sound effects and voices which not only sound off with the scene but also loop during all of the scene which makes it feel mechanical and lose all credibility and immersion. 😒
The only effect that the flashbacks had on me was to ruin the mood because they kept pulling me from the tension of "Now..." to throw me into the mellow of "Then..." all of the time and made it impossible to get into the pace since the author themselves broke the pace all of the time, that is one of the worst story designs that I ever experienced.
Moreover, these flashbacks were completely useless since everything relevant actually happens "Now..." and nothing of note happened "Then...".
What insults are you talking about? 🤔 Also you never cease to amuse me accusing me of insulting when your first sentence was "Since everyone here is too fucked in the brain to properly debate you, I created this account to do it myself just for you."! 😂 By the way, you didn't even insult me, you insulted everyone else, I think you are the one who has no more friend here now. 🤣
Is that it? Your only reply to everything I said is "Get a life"? Well then, if we only need to trade advice then mine to yours is: Get a mind so you actually have something to speak. 😉
Beautiful AVN. The characterization is some of the best I've seen. The plot has quite a few twists and turns that keeps the story engaging right to the very end. The animation and scene quality is decent to good.
Every main character feels fully realized, and experiencing their character arcs as you all grow to trust and depend on each other was a treat. The tension from the survival setting leads a certain authenticity to the relationships that many harem games struggle to achieve. Some of the harem game tropes were a little off-putting and goofy when standing next to some of the darker and more serious moments in the game, but the fusion of Walking Dead + Harem AVN works surprisingly well.
The actual story beats are pretty well executed, with a relatively keen eye towards believable conflict and resolution. The overall plot isn't too unpredictable, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. It has enough wrinkles along the way to keep the journey engaging, and the ending feels satisfying with a final epilogue send-off for all these characters that you've come to care about. That alone feels like a rare treat sometimes, since so many promising AVNs are in an unfinished state, or seem to have perpetual stories with no end in sight.
The game has a few hiccups here and there. The zombie presence becomes extremely minor near the end, except for a specific dark moment that was seemingly only there to remind us that it's a sad zombie story before going back to the plot. The final antagonists also felt kinda limp, with a lot of screen time dedicated to them only for their climax to be pretty straight forward with no real payoff for characterizing them so intentionally. There are other petty nit-picks, but none of these really affect my overall enjoyment.
Overall a stellar title that manages to balance the tight rope between a serious zombie survival story and a lewd harem game.
Really enjoyed this game. Tons of character development, no one feels like a throw away character. Sydney was my best-girl, the whole second part of her storyline was just very sweetheart(ed). I feel like Hana could have used another, softer, ending possibility. I really liked her a lot, just feels like a missed opportunity. The Alice ending was probably the happiest of the harem endings haha. The stars aligning and all.
Amazing game, one of the best AVNs out there. How's the progress on the Director's Cut? I'll definitely be replaying and hopefully leaving a full review on my blog when it's released.
The best VN story that I've had the pleasure of reading yet. Character personalities give you the feeling you know them in real life. While reading the story I was anxious to get to the end to see if they would survive but once I actually got to the end I got sad that it was over. Only one thing I know to do, start another playthrough. There are only a handful of VN's that I consider great and this is definitely one of them!!!
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This has to be one of the best games, story_wise, I have played. The graphics are ok, not the best, but definitely aren't the worst. It wouldn't have to have any renders and the story alone is filled with breath taking moments. I am truly sad to see an ending, because I fill like I'm losing an friend
Actually fantastic wtf? Finished with multiple endings. Only slight criticism is the voice clip is the same for each sex scene but that is minor. I love Carol
My only complaint would be the lack of bad guys used in the game like the cannibals and final group you kill in game were perfect fillers for the middle of the story where most fans complained it dragged (not me just what i hear through reddit and other platforms) also the chick that gets killed at the end kid of a waste in my opinion still a great game would put in my top 10
So, i love this game a lot that i can't finish just because i haven't played a game this good. But there is a song thats on my mind a lot and i cant find it. It plays in a scene where Carol and Mc looking from the balcony and going the "Then..." Part. It on my mind and i have been searching for it. Is there a soundtrack of this game or anyone knows this specific song?
I have just finished the game. Definetly my #1 on this site. I've played through maany stories. Yours is fucking amazing man. Unbelievable. To anyone who's seeing this and wonders if they should give it a go... Do it, don't hesitate.
ok be warned alternate endings, Great work
This is a fantastic AVN. I actually care for the characters and what happens. I'm going to check out more of your stuff for sure.
Well, you asked for reports of noticed grammar issues, during the intro theres one.
as mc is giving us the premise, one line is written 'When the shelter-at-home eventually order came down...', ofcourse order and eventually being the wrong way around.
I'll update as i replay. Also is there anyway to prevent seeing the Alice flashback sex scenes? I have 0 interest seeing her force herself if i can help it. Next to that all the annoying inner monolgue. Sick of sitting on a single frame for 2 or 3 minutes as i have to read whatever overly explained troubles our guy is going through. She tugged you off, you groped each other on the couch, she sucked you off as you fingered her, however despite all your rules on safety, you would rather run out into an apocalypse than talk to her maturely about stuff, when you only have to return to the apartment anyways? Kinda stupid really.
It's called story telling and exposition. It all adds to the cenimatic immersion of the story. When you read comics do you only read the dialogue and skip the thought bubbles and narration? You hate the novel in visual novel?
This is an incredible game/story and I love everything about it
This is an actual masterpiece. Probably best one I've ever played to date. The tense suspense at alot of parts and waiting for inevitable happenings in an apocalyptic setting that you just never know is actually going to happen or not. Carried that feeling throughout the entire story just about. Was really special. The H-scenes were more of a bonus, though theres a ton of them, some of which even meld parts of the story together well.
(Little spoilers)
But argh the section with the haven, I just wish so much the MC kept his backbone up for that segment. He just basically got pushed into something he was totally uncomfortable with, he didnt even fight back that hard just made snide comments and back talked here and there but didn't really lay into them like he should have. He should have been exploding over it, especially during the dialogue in the hotel. Just cant imagine throwing years of your life away for a selfless act, then for an apocalypse to hit and you doing everything in your power, nearly dying every single day, finding supplies, killing humans and infected alike and for someone to just brush you off like you're gonna be fine and your loved ones will be without you perfectly safe. Meanwhile wants to put you in the same doghouse that they expect the "same kind of visitors" to literally kill you. It was a frustrating point.
But yeah, got that off my chest can tell I'm a bit invested into the story, it has me wrapped up lol.
How to use the Directors Cut patch and endings.rpy in PC?
been missing almost one year,now finally some news from dev.that's really Cool yhat the team is still working on that.THX mate
been playing this game for a long time on another site, I downloaded the game the other day and now there's a patch. How do I install it? I've never had to patch a game before.
Does anyone have a link to the manual download? Itch won't let me download the game. I finally found this gem of a game again and can't play it... ='(
Its a little weird that u cant download directly,in My case,I can just click the download then boom,the install bar will appear,but I dont know why you cant
Man, the ending. It seemed too fast-phased like I was hoping something will happen where Sydney were forced to go to the MCs place but then caught to some "infected or bandit stuff". But the storyline is good and got me hooked for 4 days I think. Less sleep.
Game have choices?
And can we avoid incest path?
There is no incest MC and girl are not related
@antriarc aah shit thanks for telling me I almost installed it xD
What is the song that appears when MC and Carol remember how many times they have been together in front of balconies?
sounds like Nurse?I really love one of the built-in music
I have been searching for it too but cant seem to find it anywhere. Is there a playlist of this game soundtrack in sites like YouTube?
bro search this,my favorite built in music but I’m not sure if we’re talking the same one
Loyalty Freak Music- Everyone
Not this one man, it was in the 25th chapter.
The game has trouble installing. No manager for installer unknown or something like that.
Itch.io only brings up the endings file.
Need a manual download for the game itself.
is this game complete
yes
There's a bug in chapter 22:
label ch22s17hanasex:
# ----8<----
$ hana_sex += 1
# ----8<----
if hana_sex == 0:
This check will always fail, because 'hana_sex' is set to (at least) 1 at the start of the scene.
Are we one week from 1.0.0, or is 0.99 the final patch?
I'm not finished yet, but so far I just don't see a reason for some of the harsh criticisms I've seen in the comments below. If you don't like the story line, well, that's your personal preference, but as far as a story goes, it's a great story. The characters are well hashed out. The plot drives the story forward. The relationships are developed nicely. It doesn't just jump into sex sex sex right from the start, which makes sense. I haven't run into any situations where I was forced into anything I didn't want to do. At least so far, everything seems choice driven, which is what I expect from a VN. I'm not sure how far into it I am. Trying to avoid spoilers I'll just say the MC and two girls have moved to the High School and have just dealt with an attack and met a new character to the game. Those who've read the story will understand where I am by that description. So far it's been one of my favorite adult VNs. Sure it's not the absolute best in 3D characters, but for what it is, it's fantastic in my opinion. The Dev should really consider putting this on Steam for about $9.99. It wouldn't take long for the reviews to start stacking up the purchases for them.
Enjoyed the game up to the point where your forced to fuck sydney, that made 0 sense to me, hole game MC is loyal and promiss not to do anything to upset carol and yet MC fucks sydney in the shower? knowing that is not what carol wants....and you cant do anyting to say no....why ruin the game like that.....sydney even says MC would proberly never try anything and she leaves, then MC yells out in showers and no response you walk into the showers and it jumps to a forced sex scene not one bit of that makes any sense.
Unless something got added in the Directors Cut, I didn't see any forced scene with Sidney or scenes with others when you weren't on their path.
But I haven't played the DC update because I considered the game done at 0.26 when it was finalized.
Absolutely enjoy the story, and love the characters. Would love to see a sequel, maybe bring Julie and Sydney back.
Hey dude, Sydney and Julie are there to the end.
U just need to have enough points with Sydney and creampie her in the hotel, she gets pregnant and drives to the Mansion to find you, with Julie :D
I did not know that, I have multiple playthroughs going right now to see what choices affect what. I'll keep that in mind, thanks.
I loved the game have thoughts on another story for new one jw
how to get threesome with naomi and sydney at ch 15?
I’d love to know this as well. The option to go by the library while on patrol doesn’t show up for me.
Does the Director's Cut not run as smoothly for anyone else or is it just me?
ISLProductions,
Thanks for the Great game ! I enjoyed it from start to finish.
Although I understand the subject matter would be hard for certain people to Digest.
Regardless of that Story was excellent and looking forward to any future work and your team puts out !
I love this game, but honestly, whenever I see the protagonist from behind I think I'm playing Billy Ray Cyrus. Shockingly, it kind of works.
My only real complaint is how much Carol is forced on the MC. There doesn't really seem to be any reliable way to reject her advances until mid or late game.
good game loved it 100% fuck the guy named maxime martyr who cant have his way in life you do you man if he thinks he can do better he can make his own as a content creator myself ik how hard this is dont give up man fuck people who say otherwise this is a masterpiece
Wait I'm confused who's Maxime martyr
Edit: nevermind I just looked and just seems to be hating hard on games. Like you said this game is amazing and the creator did an amazing job on it.
His critique seems solid. The replies are hating hard on criticism though.
Now this is ironic. Insults are all the replies consist of, and you don't have any counter to his valid points either. Crooked take, indeed.
Good game, one of the better ones I have seen. After about a week, finally got to the end of it. A lot of content here, lots of different paths and replay value.
This was one of the worst visual novels that I ever read and I read many.
This is the story of a gutless author who wanted to write a story about a man who fucks teenagers who are like daughters to him but the author doesn't have the guts to defy social norms so they literally destroy society with a lame post-apocalyptic setting for the sole purpose of getting rid of social norms in their story so they are free to write whatever lame erotic story they want, and even under these conditions, they still make sure to make their characters relentlessly repeat that they would never EVER have fucked each other if society didn't conveniently collapse to allow them to fuck whoever they want.
The irony is that the author included this quote from Oscar Wilde into their visual novel:
"I won't tell you that the world matters nothing, or the world's voice, or the voice of society. They matter a good deal. They matter far too much. But there are moments when one has to choose between living one's own life, fully, entirely, completely, or dragging out some false, shallow, degrading existence that the world in its hypocrisy demands."
You would think that the author of this visual novel included this quote into their story because this is a story about characters who choose to live their life the way they are happy with whoever they want and reject the hypocrisy of society, right?
Wrong! This story is about characters who would choose to conform to the hypocrisy of society if society still existed.
The author chose a post-apocalyptic setting to get rid of society so their characters DON'T choose to defy society because there is no more society to defy and they make sure to make their characters relentlessly repeat that, was society still standing, they would have chose to please it rather than themselves and each other.
Therefore quoting Oscar Wilde under these conditions is a JOKE and I say: "If you would rather make society happy than each other then you DON'T deserve each other." and so I couldn't have ANY sympathy for them.
Moreover I couldn't take ANY character seriously anyway because they are supposed to be americans and they all look japanese because the author was dumb enough to use Honey Select for an occidental setting!
And I can't even justify their choice by their need of an affordable characters generator because I keep seeing the same looking characters in many visual novels so I just know that there is definitely an extensive graphics library available for visual novels, nothing could possibly justify that this author chose a cheap japanese characters generator for an occidental setting, this is just one of many evidences of their utter incompetence.
The protagonist wears glasses, there is nothing wrong about that, if he didn't wear them ALL THE FUCKING TIME!
Don't even try to make me believe that he sees shit with his glasses in front of his eyes in a hot shower full of vapor!
The author made the two main female characters 18 years old.
Do you know why 18?
Because this is the legal age of sexual maturity.
If legal majority was 13, they would be 13 years old, because they are the youngest legally possible.
That doesn't help when the author keeps making comments such as "Yum, look at this pretty tight teenage pussy...", how the hell am I not supposed to feel like a disgusting pedophile when I read such disturbing thoughts?!
The author bothered to make the girls legally major but they keep making us think of them as teenagers, implying children!
The main female character is the most insufferably boring of all!
She is so predictable, so annoyingly single-minded, every time she is alone with the protagonist, there is only one single thought in her bland mind: sex!
And all the time she is not alone with him, she laments how she would love so much to be alone with him, annoyingly single-minded I tell you.
She doesn't have any meaningful role in the story beside being a "horny teenager" who wants to screw her "dad" all of the damn time.
From when we quit Grantsboro, I just had grown so fed up with her that every time I was alone with her, I thought "Oh no, not her again...", I just couldn't bear her anymore.
Eventually, I just skipped all of her sex scenes because there are simply too many of them, I made an overdose of Carol!
The author allows polygamy.
HOWEVER, they still try to impose monogamy on us because they make the protagonist treat Carol as his owner and he basically keeps repeating "just say the word and I will throw everyone else in the trash" as if the author wanted to guilty us because we chose to return the feelings of more than one girl, they allowed us polygamy while they kept pestering us with monogamous mindset.
If you choose polygamy, that's because you are into more than one person who also are into you and to be fair to everyone, there is no favorite, no number one, no queen, and you definitely don't offer to reject the others to one of them, you leave that bullshit to monogamy and therefore the way the author treats Carol is frustratingly unfair to the others.
It's funny how the protagonist keeps repeating many times to Carol: "just say the word and I will stop everything with everyone else" but he never says this in the presence of anyone else.
A shame, because I just would love to see how the women who love him would feel if they hear him basically tell Carol "just say a word and I will throw all of these fucktoys in the trash if you want me for yourself alone because I don't care about hurting their feelings, I care only about you"...
And this is one of the many reasons why I couldn't have any sympathy for this hypocrite protagonist because he says to more than one girl that he loves them and right after he says to one of them that he is ready to break everyone's hearts if she has a selfish whim, how could I possibly respect such an uncaring hypocrite?
The sex scenes are voiced.
But the author uses the same 3 voices for all female characters and so the voices make the sex scenes even more repetitive and boring.
The title of this visual novel is "Now & Then", and once you will find out why this name, you will hate it!
Because when you are in the "now", the author keeps breaking the pace of the story with annoying flashbacks of "then".
I don't mind some flashbacks if they are in moderate quantity and interesting.
These are neither.
Because you are reading the story of the current events, on the edge, when the screen suddenly turns black with a big white "THEN..." and a mellow guitar starts playing to tell you a boring past event that you couldn't care less about and it interrupts this way ALL OF THE DAMN TIME, you can never get into the mood because the author keeps breaking it with their genius idea of switching at the worst timings between "Now..." and "Then...".
In conclusion, after having tortured myself to read this visual novel to the end in the vain hope that it would grow better, I warn you it doesn't, there is nothing worth keeping in this utter failure and I now believe that ILS Productions actually stands for Insufferably Lame Stories and Productions.
Who?
When?
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18 and 19 year olds are teenagers AND LEGAL ADULTS! That your thinking goes to underage girls, is a YOU problem, not the author's/creator's problem
You justify that these girls are adult because "they are of legal age", implying that your conviction is not your own, you mindlessly conform to a world's perception that legal dictates.
My point was that the author made the girls to be the youngest legally allowed and wrote about them to make us think of them as kids, as I said, if legal age was 13 then they would be 13, because they are just that: the minimum legal age.
your an idiot and bias asf man get a life your literally the only person complaining here you reddit moderator neckbeard looking ass sitting behind yo screen you fucking bigot like everyone said its a YOU problem not the creators if you think you can do better make you own you fucking idiot this is hard fucking work perfection at its finest ik because i make these too so shut you dumb ass up don't read it if you don't like it deal with it i don't see you putting in the time to make something like this to put in hours to create content you gotta lot of nerve to say the things you do insecure bitch ass go cry to your mommy bitch
Maybe I will bother to read you when you bother to express your thoughts in an organized manner, not before.
Like i said make your own if YOU think you can do better theres a difference in actual criticism and just straight up being an asshole to someone who made something that everyone liked but you because you think you know better than everyone shut your karen bitchass up no ones gonna take you or your criticism seriously if you go about it by being an asshole and being disrespectful
I haven't played this game, I just found it when something I was reading on the internet referenced it. I really understand where you are coming from with the critique if what you are saying about this game is true; however, I think maybe you are ascribing motives to the author that are not really representative of their intentions.
Specifically, I am wondering if it has ever crossed your mind that this VN/game was written by someone who did a little market research, and understood what kind of story was most likely to be popular amongst people who routinely pay money for Adult VNs?
It seems to me that you are making claims about the type of person this is, and what his or her feelings about certain types of real life sexual relationships actually are; and here is the last thing I will say... while I do not normally point this sort of thing out to people, even if the content of this VN represents a real sexual fantasy of the author, you seem to be just fetish shaming.
For example, there is a lot of robust academic research that suggests that a significant number of women--and we are talking about a large percentage--have sexual fantasies based around rape or non-consent. By extension to how you are acting here, it seems like it is your position that merely having that fantasy means that they condone rape beyond the realm of fantasy. This clearly is not the case, and with this in mind I sometimes find it extremely problematic when I encounter people who judge people so harshly for sexual fantasies. Just my two cents.
The criticism sounds valid, and I've seen no convincing retort in the replies. Thanks for the warning.
I haven't played this game and this guy sounds a bit too personal in his criticism. That said, it does sound like a bunch of valid points that nobody has rebutted.
It's a spoiler bro he didn't even bother typing a "spoiler alert" before commenting, that's why you should play the game first before reading the comments, and he's just hating. The dev give he's blood and sweat to make this game, and I know we have our own opinion, but if it's just pure hate you should just keep it to yourself.
Funny that he pointed out a lot of well thought and valid objections and your response is "he's just hating."
Probably easier for you to do that than to actually read or understand them. Maybe if you did you could actually have something of substance to rebute them with rather than an emotional outburst.
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Solid critique. The "these girls are like my daughters and I really want to fuck them" storyline is always creepy and cringe.
Thanks for the thorough review.
Kids shouldn't play dis game, if you can't take this game, how about you play NTR'd games.
Do these comments hit too close to home for you? You're defending this storyline quite fervently.
Not sure how your reply is relevant to my comment. There's nothing in this game I can't "handle." This is far from the only game with this plotline. It's always gross. Simple as that.
I don't know how you think the alternative to this is NTR.
There're quite a few games here that are a simple story of a groomer where the game justifies the grooming with some "horny girl" BS. It's the groomer fantasy played out: "We're consenting adults (now). She wants it."
Catering to this particular market because it's what they're looking for is no excuse.
Ah okay.
I have not seen such a string of missed points, non-sequiturs, and straw men in a long time.
I applaud you for stepping up to "debates" rather than just insulting. It would just be nice if you were capable of actually having a debate.
I don't think you realize just how much you're projecting when you speak of passive aggressive blindness.
I examined all his points and your counters, and all of yours were invalid in premise, logic, or both, while his made sense.
Don't worry about my road when you have already gone off the far end.
And no, you can't call me "unaccepting" or "black and white" for rejecting your non-sequiturs and straw men. That's like calling someone a picky eater for rejecting a feces sandwich.
Hey, thank you for your support, I enjoyed your retort and answered him myself which I invite you to enjoy as I enjoyed yours. 😉
Well, look at yourself the superior mind who steps up to set things right for everyone because everyone else but you is "too fucked (What's wrong? Scared of speaking the actual word? 😏) in the brain to properly debate me" because only you know what is proper debate, gosh, your humility is an example for all. 😏
You created an Itch account just for me? Aaaaaw, that's so romantic! 😊 And if that doesn't work between us, at least I made you have an Itch account.😉
After having read your "counter-points", I have to ask: Did you actually read this visual novel? Because you missed all of your marks, that's hilarious! 🤣
If you ACTUALLY had read this visual novel that you defend with such (pointless) passion then you WOULD have read its characters say themselves that if society didn't collapse, they would have repressed their feelings for each other to conform to social norms, this is not "my own wrong take on it", this is their own words. 😉
They already were aware of their feelings before the collapse of society and of its norms but they pretended to not notice for the sake of pleasing society whose collapse granted them an opening as you said, otherwise they would have chosen to make society happy rather than making each other and themselves happy, that's why I claimed that they don't deserve each other if they don't even choose each other over a bunch of strangers.
That's so funny how you accused me of being biased and your following sentence starts with "Illusion games are the best". 🤣
Especially since that's completely wrong since I use to read adult visual novels made with another, more realistic graphics library, I know that's the same because they all look the same, unfortunately I still didn't find out WHAT is this amazing graphics library commonly used to make so many realistic looking visual novels! 😫
And even among Illusion products, Honey Select is the worst because it makes everyone look japanese no matter your characters' actual ethnics, which ruins all credibility if your characters are not actually japanese, which is the case right here, at least it is not worth Koikatsu which makes everyone look like anime characters therefore less realistic but at least not necessarily japanese. 😉
Now you didn't only not read the visual novel but you didn't actually read my comment either, which makes me wonder about your ability to actually read, because you foolishly claimed that I "flexed a problem with wearing glasses", which, once more, is completely off the mark since I specifically wrote "The protagonist wears glasses, there is nothing wrong about that,", see? 😉
I also explained in details how the author treated the girls like "teens", I specifically explained how the protagonist's thoughts such as "Look at that pretty and tight teen pussy!" made me feel like a pedophile and made me feel sick and 18 is a commonly chosen age in porn games whose creators want to make their characters the youngest possible while being legal, like when you play a porn game whose characters clearly look like children while the disclaimer claims "all characters in this game are the legal age of 18" that no one believes and everyone is aware that's bullshit to be legal, 18 is the code to say "They are actually children/teens but shush, let's pretend they are adults because they are 18, wink wink.". 😒
Oh you are so very wrong because I actually disagree with that "legal age" bullshit as if everyone is a child at 17 then in a single night, shazam, they are adult because they are 18, administrative magic never ceases to amaze me! 😲
I think it is utterly stupid to set an age to define adulthood since maturity grows with knowledge and experience and everyone is not the same. 🤨
I think we would be smarter to set a test of knowledge and autonomy to acknowledge official adulthood no matter the age, only a passed test would define adulthood and that would make much more sense than "You are 17, you are a kid. You are 18, you are an adult. That's administrative magic for you.".
Indeed, I know, so what? Do you think such a society whose males' only purpose is to work to sustain a family and females' only purpose is to be breed to produce more workers is desirable? Why do you think this was abolished in the first place if that was so great? 🤨
Nice try, too bad it is a missed shot again since this visual novel is all about sex all the time and nothing else and if you are fed up of having only sex all the time and nothing else and choose to not have sex then you have nothing at all because this visual novel offers you nothing but sex all the time. When your options are something or nothing then there is no actual choice as there is no other option other than one thing or nothing, there is no other thing.
Wrong, very wrong, because I NEVER EVER chose to make Carol my queen, my owner, and treat all of my other lovers as disposable, I hated that and that was the author's choice, not mine. 😠
Sigh, listen, I use to read MANY adult visual novels and most of them don't have voices, only music to set the mood, animated graphics (of variable quality) and texts (of variable quality as well) and that actually works better than adding cheap sound effects and voices which not only sound off with the scene but also loop during all of the scene which makes it feel mechanical and lose all credibility and immersion. 😒
The only effect that the flashbacks had on me was to ruin the mood because they kept pulling me from the tension of "Now..." to throw me into the mellow of "Then..." all of the time and made it impossible to get into the pace since the author themselves broke the pace all of the time, that is one of the worst story designs that I ever experienced.
Moreover, these flashbacks were completely useless since everything relevant actually happens "Now..." and nothing of note happened "Then...".
What insults are you talking about? 🤔 Also you never cease to amuse me accusing me of insulting when your first sentence was "Since everyone here is too fucked in the brain to properly debate you, I created this account to do it myself just for you."! 😂 By the way, you didn't even insult me, you insulted everyone else, I think you are the one who has no more friend here now. 🤣
Get a life.
Is that it? Your only reply to everything I said is "Get a life"? Well then, if we only need to trade advice then mine to yours is: Get a mind so you actually have something to speak. 😉
Its more than enough for you 😂
Really good game; the story is compelling and the graphics are solid!
One small thing: Carol's hair seems to have turned from black to red in Part 2. Minor, but wanted to point it out.
Beautiful AVN. The characterization is some of the best I've seen. The plot has quite a few twists and turns that keeps the story engaging right to the very end. The animation and scene quality is decent to good.
Every main character feels fully realized, and experiencing their character arcs as you all grow to trust and depend on each other was a treat. The tension from the survival setting leads a certain authenticity to the relationships that many harem games struggle to achieve. Some of the harem game tropes were a little off-putting and goofy when standing next to some of the darker and more serious moments in the game, but the fusion of Walking Dead + Harem AVN works surprisingly well.
The actual story beats are pretty well executed, with a relatively keen eye towards believable conflict and resolution. The overall plot isn't too unpredictable, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. It has enough wrinkles along the way to keep the journey engaging, and the ending feels satisfying with a final epilogue send-off for all these characters that you've come to care about. That alone feels like a rare treat sometimes, since so many promising AVNs are in an unfinished state, or seem to have perpetual stories with no end in sight.
The game has a few hiccups here and there. The zombie presence becomes extremely minor near the end, except for a specific dark moment that was seemingly only there to remind us that it's a sad zombie story before going back to the plot. The final antagonists also felt kinda limp, with a lot of screen time dedicated to them only for their climax to be pretty straight forward with no real payoff for characterizing them so intentionally. There are other petty nit-picks, but none of these really affect my overall enjoyment.
Overall a stellar title that manages to balance the tight rope between a serious zombie survival story and a lewd harem game.
Definitely one of my favourite AVNs,i wonder will it be on steam though,i really want to buy it from steam and show my friends while i'm playing it
Late reply, but no this won't be in steam since the author of HS won't allow vn's made with their engine there.
Thanks for the info,just finished TLOU1 and wanted to ask if Now&Then could be on steam as well. Totally forgot i did it already lol
Review. Soilers ahead. BeWarE
Really enjoyed this game. Tons of character development, no one feels like a throw away character. Sydney was my best-girl, the whole second part of her storyline was just very sweetheart(ed). I feel like Hana could have used another, softer, ending possibility. I really liked her a lot, just feels like a missed opportunity. The Alice ending was probably the happiest of the harem endings haha. The stars aligning and all.
Amazing game, one of the best AVNs out there. How's the progress on the Director's Cut? I'll definitely be replaying and hopefully leaving a full review on my blog when it's released.
The best VN story that I've had the pleasure of reading yet. Character personalities give you the feeling you know them in real life. While reading the story I was anxious to get to the end to see if they would survive but once I actually got to the end I got sad that it was over. Only one thing I know to do, start another playthrough. There are only a handful of VN's that I consider great and this is definitely one of them!!!